Truth Magazine

By Larry R. Houchen

As a young gospel preacher, I suppose that I am just now learning one of many things experienced preachers learned when they were younger. Some brethren, either intentionally or unintentionally, discourage preachers. Contrary to the belief of some brethren, we preachers have feelings too. How would you feel, if, in your secular work you were never complimented for your efforts, but either taken for .granted or constantly chided? I shall mention four methods which brethren use to discourage.

1. The first method, for accomodative purposes, we shall “dub” “the personal attack.” “Hey, preacher, you said Acts 1:38 instead of Acts 2:38,” or, “You were way off base on one point,” are typical statements which flow from the mouths of some “loving” brethren immediately following services, Some seem to delight in catching the preacher in a mistake and making sure that the victim is aware that he witnessed the “whole thing.” We might just as well call this method the “gotcha game.” I do not know about other brethren, but it does make me feel a little uneasy when I know that such a person is sitting in the audience. There is nothing wrong with joking with or correcting the preacher occasionally about some mistake he has made. For an example, I remember the blunder that I made when I said, “Preachers are not fallible, but infallible.” Several jokingly said after services that they felt lucky to be a member of the only congregation with an infallible preacher. What does become most discouraging, however, is for the same ones to remark about every mistake, and never lend a word of encouragement.

2. A second method which brethren use to discourage might be called “the guessing game.” Those brothers and sisters who participate in “the guessing game” are those who never reveal how they feel about the sermons. It does not really matter what the brethren think, so long as a brother is preaching the gospel and is doing so with the proper attitude, but encouragement is a psychological need. Lack of encouragement may result in the same as discouragement. There is always some brother or sister in Christ who can give the preacher a detailed weather report or describe in detail his or her physical condition, but never utter one word in regard to the sermon. (In fact, whatever happened to the occasional, “Amen,” from brethren during a sermon?) I know that in my limited preaching experience I have not always preached “winners,” in fact, there have been some “duds,” but neither am I going to be so naive as to believe that I have never preached a gospel sermon which fitted the need of the congregation precisely. One does not need to comment on every sermon. In fact, the statement, “That was a good sermon” every service can become a “wee bit” old and not as meaningful as an occasional, “That was an excellent sermon.” No, most preachers are not so sensitive as to always want their backs patted, but please, brethren, let us know you are out there-encourage us from time to time!

3. A preacher can become discouraged when the brethren use the “cry-on-the shoulder” routine. Sometimes when the preacher makes just a social visit, a member will unload all of the ills and the troubles of the congregation on the shoulders of the preacher. “I’d like to see us have a more active visiting program.” or, “I’ve never been satisfied with the eldership,” typical statements which seem to be made to solicit a response of agreement from the preacher. All such statements should be directed to the elders of the congregation. Yes, even if the problem lies within the eldership, take it to the elders. If you have an accusation to make, say it only in the presence of two or three witnesses (I Tim. 5:19). In the event that there are no elders, bring out suggestions and problems in the next business meeting. When the brethren take problems to the elders, there is always the possibility of the overseers becoming discouraged. However, I would not be a bit surprised if the element of discouragement was one of several reasons why the Holy Spirit commanded a plurality of elders in a local congregation. When the problem is laid on several shoulders, the discouraging effect is not nearly so devastating. Even if elders do become discouraged occasionally, the problems should still be directed to them, not to the preacher-it is God’s plan.

4. The final method that we mention which brethren use to discourage is the Apreacher vs. preacher” method. If grieves my heart whenever two men of “like precious faith” who have chosen to render the greatest service to mankind, that of preaching the gospel, compete with one another. Sometimes when a group of gospel preachers are gathered together on some occasion, one will be heard to brag about all the work he is doing in the congregation of which he is a member. Now if the brother mentions these things because he is truly excited about the Lord’s work in that locale, that is one thing. If, however, he mentions them as a subtle attempt to “put his other brothers down,” that is an entirely different situation. It would be extremely difficult fairly to compare the work in one place with the work in another locality. There are just too many variables involved priorities, population, dominate denominations in the area, etc.

Members sometime compare one preacher’s capabilities with the capabilities of another. Brethren, if a man is proclaiming the gospel to the best of his ability, he is a good preacher in the sight of God, and that is what counts! Sometimes these comparisons are thoughtlessly made in the presence of the local evangelist, comparing him unfavorably with the previous minister. Some members try to be a little more subtle by constantly quoting from the previous evangelist and commenting that “Brother Idol did such and such in such and such a way.”

Preachers sometime blackball gospel meetings if the preacher does not happen to be a “big name” in the brotherhood. Experienced preachers sometime discourage young preachers by never attending their gospel meetings. I do not know if the situation stems from religious politics, a feeling that they will not hear anything they have not already heard, or if it is just pure thoughtlessness. I do know that it is a sad and discouraging situation. As a young preacher, I can think of nothing more encouraging than to have in the audience an old-battle-scarred-warrior of the cross. I can think of nothing more profitable than receiving a few helpful hints from a “pro,” whether they be in the homiletics or hermenuetics category. On the other hand, the young preachers who have followed after the Ketcherside Amumbo-jumbo” must have a disheartening effect on those who have so bravely and fearlessly attacked innovations on the front lines. I am sure that weighing constantly on their minds is the destiny of the church of tomorrow. Let us resolve in our hearts to encourage one another – not discourage.

These things have not been mentioned with any animosity in my heart, but with love for my brothers and sisters in Christ. This article should not be taken as an indictment on the brotherhood – far be it from that! I suppose that during periods of depression, besides prayer and my good wife, the one thing that keeps me preaching, and I suppose always will, is the encouragement received from beloved brothers and sisters in Christ. These thoughtful and wonderful brethren, I will always be indebted to – thanks brethren!

Truth Magazine, XVIII:39, p. 13-14
August 8, 1974

By Jeffery Kingry

John’s concept of man’s relationship with God was not one that depended or varied with man’s understanding-but he claimed it was based upon God’s revelation. “For the life was manifested … and was manifested unto us; That which we have seen and heard declare we unto you that ye also may have fellowship with us: And truly our fellowship is e with the Father, and with his son Jesus Christ” (1 Jno. 1:2,3). n John believed that fellowship with God depended on a il proper understanding of the revelation which was given to him and to the other Apostles. What was the substance of this revelation? “This then is the message which we have heard of him, and declare unto you: That God is light and in In him is no darkness at all. If we say that we have fellowship el with him, and walk in darkness, we lie and do not the truth. to But, if we walk in the light as he is in the light, we have e. fellowship one with another and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin” (1:5-7).

God’s Conditions of Fellowship

There is certainly no place of righteousness in the writing of John for the one who claims to “walk in darkness” (i.e. those who remain in “sins of ignorance” or sins of ” weakness”). “To walk” is an expression used in the Scriptures to indicate the entire life, with special emphasis on what is done outwardly. “To walk in darkness” is to live ‘in the practice of sin. The man who lives in the practice or state of sin is a twofold liar. When this man confesses his fellowship with God, he lies with the mouth. His protest of a good relationship with God is untrue. But further, if he continues in that sin, “And do not the truth, ” he lies in his life. His practice is opposed to the truth. Man’s relationship, therefore, is not only dependent on man’s heart, but man’s deeds in submission to God’s revealed word. Any other affirmation of fellowship with God is a deceived one: “Every man that hath this hope in him (the hope to be like Jesus when he comes again, 3:2b) purifieth himself, even as. he (Jesus) is pure. . .Little children, let no man deceive you, he that doeth righteousness is righteous even as he (Jesus) is righteous” (I Jno. 3:3-7).

Consequences of Fellowship with God

On the positive side, John tells us that “if we walk in the light as he is in the light, we have fellowship with one another . . . . ” “The light” is God’s revelation of what pleases Him. To “walk in the light” means to live according to all that God has given to man, or as Paul put it, “Ye were once in darkness, but are now light in the Lord: Walk as children of light (For the fruit of the light is in all goodness, and righteousness, and truth)” (Eph. 5:8,9). “Walking in the light” further demonstrates growth or progression. One may not walk and remain in one place. As Paul said, “Forgetting those things which are behind, and reaching forth unto those things which are before. I press toward the mark for the prize of the high calling of God in Christ Jesus” (Phil. 3:13,14).

Some may raise the question “Are you not in darkness to the extent you are in ignorance while you are growing? Does not the fact that you move from one level of understanding to another necessitate God’s grace covering your sins of ignorance while in a lower level of understanding?” The answer is “No.” One cannot “grow” in darkness. One can only grow in the light. As long as one practices sin he is in the grips of Satan, the Prince of all darkness (I Jno. 3:8). Whoever is growing in the light of God’s revelation does not remain or continue in sin (1 Jno. 3:6). He repents of his sin and confesses his sin to God (1:9a) and God cleanses that one continually from all the consequences of his sin (1:9b).

Further, the shedding of the blood of Jesus did not cleanse us once and for all time from the consequences of sin. The child of God continues to need the atoning power of the blood, and contacts it. through his penitence. “And the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin. ” This implies that the child of God still needs the cleansing power of the blood. John uses the present tense “cleanseth us. ” He did not say “hath cleansed us,” or “will cleanse us” but “is cleansing us.” The cleansing process is a continuing one. But the continual cleansing is dependent-not only on God’s grace, for that is already ours-not on man’s heart alone, for God requires action to demonstrate the intent of the heart but on “walking in the light as he is in the light.” Our cleansing depends on our continual submission, emulation, ,and practice of God’s Agoodness, and righteousness, and truth.” It is a peculiar doctrine indeed that states that man is continually cleansed of sin while in the very practice of that sin.

Man’s Confidence of Heaven

“But,” some may say, “This is a terrible burden to live under. We must live in fear that we have committed some unrepented sin. There is no peace, assurance, or confidence if the nature of the Christian life is one of constant fear!” This also is an odd response to the favor of God. Man had only a fearful, fiery expectation of eternal separation from God before Jesus came to this earth. The witness of the scriptures is “Fear not.” We are rather to rejoice that God has provided us a way to overcome the power of sin. Penitence is a small price for us to pay for the consequences of our sins. John said, “These things I write unto you, that ye sin not. But, if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous, and he is the propitiation for our sins” (2:1,26). God has not called us to uncertainty and, groping but to “life,” “love,” “Knowledge,” and “fellowship.” The gospel is God’s power to save man and in the gospel is God’s way of making man right revealed as a system that begins and ends with confidence in God’s testimony (Rom. 1:16,17). God shows us that we can know we are saved. John testifies that we can know that we know God.

Our assurance is not based upon man’s desire, motive, or purity of intent, but on obeying the commandments of God. Some are immature and arrogant in their truth-seeking. The Lord tells us that the only way we will reach additional truth is to perform the truth that we already have (Jno. 7:17). We

do not give up the truth we already hold because there are some who reject it, or because we see that there is a level of understanding we have not yet attained. True knowledge of God is dependent on keeping God’s commandments. “He that saith. ‘I know him.’ and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him. But whoso keepeth his word, in him verily is the love of God perfected: Hereby know we that we are in him ” (2:4,5).

Some, interested in only what they can “get away with” might ask, “Which commandments must we keep? Only direct commands?” Paul had no difficulty in answering that question, “If any man think himself to be spiritual, let him acknowledge that the things that I write unto you are the commandments of the Lord” (1 Cor. 14:37). To the one intent on submission, the scriptures give answers-not dilemmas.

God Demands Perfection

Again the objector rises to declare, “You then, require sinless perfection in practice as a requisite for salvation!” No, that would be to claim something God has revealed man has no right to. “If we say we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us”(1 Jno. 1:8). There are those who deny sin by defining it out of existence. They claim, like the serpent, that to commit some sins, “You shall not surely die.” They make their own definitions of sin, and thereby remove the terrible consequences of sin-eternal death. They claim sin is misdirection, imperfect development, inherited weakness to the errors of life, and thus seek to absolve the sinner of personal guilt. He who reduces sin to “mistake” only “deceives himself.” By closing his eyes to the truth of God he is groping about in the dangerous arena of darkness. Not only does he deceive himself but he actually seeks to put away the testimony of God. “If we say we have not sinned we make Him a liar, and his word is not in us” (1:10). What a terrible thing to call God a liar by what we practice and teach!

But to answer the question fully: “Yes” God does require us to be perfect, and gives us the means to be so. Perfection does not mean “sinlessness” but “completeness.” A mechanic who knows his job, is skilled through long practice, and has all the necessary tools and manuals could be said to be “perfect (complete), throughly furnished unto every good work” (2 Tim. 3:17). This does not mean that he never made a mistake or will never make one in his work as a mechanic, but he has the knowledge, tools, and facilities to find his mistakes, correct them, and learn from them. No matter what his purity of motive or desire may be, if he is “not equipped” he will fail in his resolve to repair the engine. God has given us everything we need to be perfect in every phase of our life and living (2 Tim. 3:16,17). We do not depend on our own ability, but the revelation of God to lead us into right living (2 Cor. 5:7). Our standard is divine; not human or worldly, and following that standard and conforming to it in all areas prove(s) what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect will of God” (Rom. 12:2). This goal is scoffed at only by those who have wearied of the necessity to please God in all things (Col. 1:21-29).

Conclusion

In our lives as Christians we do not fear eternal hell unless we are living in sin. Only the disobedient fear an ultimate hell. But, we have been cleansed and will continue to be cleansed as long as we remain true to Him who cleansed us. We have an assurance as penitent believers that no man or power on earth can wrest from us. We accept God’s promise of salvation because we trust his word. “For. without faith it is impossible to please him: For he that cometh to God must believe that he is. and is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him ” (Heb. 11:6). We need to be diligent in our doing of his will. “The Lord is not slack concerning his promises… wherefore my beloved seeing that ye look for (a new heaven and a new earth wherein dwelleth righteousness), be diligent that ye may be found of him in peace. without spot. and blameless… Ye therefore beloved, seeing that ve know these things before, beware test ye also. being led away with the error of the wicked, fall from your own steadfastness. But grow in grace and in the knowledge of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ” (2 Pet. 3:9,13,14,17,18).

Truth Magazine, XVIII:39, p. 11-13
August 8, 1974

By Leo Rogol

It is certain now that the Nixon administration is not the only group in trouble over violation of law and guilty of unethical behavior. Now the Highland church and its elders in Abilene, Texas, have committed an illegal act. And it may get them in serious trouble with the federal government. Who would ever believe that such an “infallible” institution as Herald of Truth would get into so much trouble? Why, don’t you know that to question-and above all, to criticize-the Herald of Truth was the same as to blaspheme against heaven? Especially with such an “infallible” guide as Batsell B. Baxter, who also is head of the Bible department at David Lipscomb College, as featured speaker on H.O.T.?

Fraudulent Use of U.S. Postal Service

In Contending For The Faith, March 1974, pg. 4, Ira Rice, Jr. reports this illegal action taken by the Highland elders:

“I have it upon reliable evidence (and if you doubt this, you may write to E.R. Harper for verification) that this large white folder (or some of them may have been on brown paper), enclosing Baxter’s letter, together with the letter from the Highland elders, was sent out to you with David Lipscomb College imprint WITHOUT THE KNOWLEDGE, CONSENT OR PERMISSION FROM THE COLLEGE AT NASHVILLE! “. . David Lipscomb College DID NOT FURNISH HIGHLAND WITH THOSE ENVELOPES. They either bought them-and then stamped the return address of the college in the upper-left-hand corner, or they made them up themselves and stamped the college’s return address upon the folder.” (Emph. his-LR)

Notice the two-fold deception practiced by the Highland elders. First they use the address of David Lipscomb College without their knowledge, apparently to make it appear that DLC lends their approval and support to the whole matter at Highland. Next we see that they use deception with regard to U.S. Postal authorities. In case some of you do not know what this means, I’ll let Ira Rice inform you:

“According to Federal Postal Law, the permit on the folder must agree with the address of the sending party on the folder. The permit on the folder you received had only the permit of the Highland Church of Christ. This is in violation of the Federal Postal Laws and if pressed could cause the Highland elders serious trouble.”

That this was an obvious form of deception against DLC and churches is further proven by Rice:

“Upon reliable authority, I now understand that DLC President Athens Clay Pullias has written to the elders of the Highland Church of Christ requesting an explanation as well as a retraction of this unlawful act which has embarrassed the college and could cause the Post Office at Abiline to receive severe reprimands for allowing this folder to pass.”

A Real Mix-up

Now all this really puts all those involved in a real hard bind. The implications of all this are far more reaching than we may realize.

Batsell B. Baxter plays a dual role. He is head of the Bible department at DLC and is speaker for the H.O.T. TV program. And since his letter was sent along with that of the Highland elders, it is preposterous to think he had no knowledge of what was going on. On the other hand, if the Highland elders tricked him that badly, which further indicts them of mis-conduct, how can he stand working with them any longer? Hence, he is implicated in this illegal act. This casts grave reflections upon the Bible department of that school, as well as upon the school itself.

Besides this incident, how could it be that a man in such a key position as speaker on the TV program would be so ignorant of, or blind to, the happenings at the Highland church? Pentecostalism, infidelity, and many other rank sins exist in that church; and yet he goes on as if nothing is wrong! Doesn’t he know or doesn’t he care what is written in 2 John 11: “For he that biddeth him God speed is partaker of his evil deeds.”? By his fellowship with that church in their project he is directly involved. This indicts him as the most flagrant violator of the scriptural principle of fellowship and at the same time casts serious reflection upon the Bible department at DLC.

Considering this matter from his viewpoint, we know he thinks there is nothing wrong with such an arrangement as sponsoring churches. But I am certain that even from his viewpoint he can not scripturally defend these evils that are happening at Highland. And he can’t say that he just fellowships them in the area of evangelism while he has nothing to do with the sins in the church. My friends, you take it all in a package deal, or you have none of it.

But then, this indicts that school as being “partakers of his evil deeds,” They keep a man on their faculty who is directly connected with the sins at Highland. So DLC must equally share the guilt with Baxter of being party to the sins at the Highland and share in the guilt of illegal use of a postal permit-which they simultaneously condemn. They are going to have completely to sever any relationship with Baxter, dismiss him from the school, or share in the blame in this incident of an illegal act. Is Lipscomb College going to demand that Baxter withdraws himself from all connections with Highland? And if not, are they going to dismiss him from the school? If they do neither, they will have to sweep all this “under the rug,” or shut up, and by this failure in taking action, let their brotherhood know they neither object to the fraudulent use of their letter-head, nor to the sins at Highland. I am a bit curious to know just what they will do about all this mess.

What a dilemma! Pullias sent a letter to Highland, denouncing their actions in which Baxter was implicated–and yet they retain him on the faculty and Head of the Bible department. This is a hard pill for DLC to swallow. By the way, I just wonder if they sent Baxter a similar letter? Did they reprimand him???

What further complicates this entire situation is that Baxter had long been a champion for Lipscomb’s unscriptural scheme of getting churches to support that school out of their treasuries. What a further dilemma! Brethren: churches sent contributions to the college upon the basis of the “infallible” claims Baxter made that it was scriptural; upon their confidence in him as a learned Bible scholar. And now a church, along with Baxter, played this foul trick on that very school Baxter was so effective and instrumental in getting brethren and churches to support! But the school is under obligation to him, or as it is said in some places, “beholdin’ to him.” What an embarrassing situation!

Baxter worked long and hard to raise money (unscripturally) for the school. But now he is a partaker in an illegal act against the very school he had so long helped to nurture and develop. The school is indebted to him for his services and yet the President must send a letter to Highland protesting against illegal actions and unfair dealings against the school; actions in which Baxter took part.

But there are still further serious implications. Some years ago Lipscomb College solicited and received money from the federal government upon the basis that it was a secular school with no connection with the church. Certainly, these advocates of “Separation of Church and State” would not dream of asking money for an educational institution if it had any connection with the church! But then, one forgets certain unimportant incidentals. They turned right around and asked churches to support the school because it was doing service for the church! I suppose they already forgot all about the money they received from Uncle Sam. After all, could churches support a secular institution that asked for and received money from the government? They had either to forget that Lipscomb was a church-related school to get federal aid, or they had to forget it was a secular school to get money from churches. It appears they forgot both at the exact time that it was convenient to do so, or they were dishonest on either count.

Now you have a church using a college as a tool for furthering its project. But of course, Baxter said it was right for the college to be supported by the church because it was doing it a service, so why can’t the college use the church if the church helps to support it? And of course, upon this same basis Highland had the right to use the college to help promote its project (And yet it was right for the government to support the college because it was in no way connected with the church.) Then they abused the federal government by an illegal use of mailing permit to deceive churches into thinking that the college endorsed and sanctioned the dealings of the Highland church. And they deceived the school by doing something illegally which the college knew nothing about. Just think! The government helped them with money, and they turn around and trick the government. Baxter tells churches it is right to send money to the college and he deceives both churches and the college, by taking part in this illegal act.

It will be interesting to observe further actions in this matter. ‘What will the school do about Baxter? What will the Highland elders do about their illegal use of Lipscomb’s name? And what will DLC do about Highland’s disgraceful act? We shall see what we shall see. Perhaps nothing?

In all this I am reminded of what Paul wrote: “That ye may be blameless and harmless, the sons of God, without rebuke, in the midst of a crooked and perverse nation, among whom ye shine as lights in the world” (Phil. 2:15). Talk about an energy crisis! It is so critical at Highland that the “light” cannot “shine” anymore. “Crooked and perverse nation”-what has Highland on the world? It is keeping right up with the “crooked” and “perverse.”

We are all aware of the digression of the past century. But that digression was not as embarrassing as this present one. These elders at Highland really out-did anything I ever heard of among the former digression. By the way, I wonder if “Herald of Truth No. 2” will be any different? How long will it be before it too will turn out like it’s “daddy,” No. I? After all, “Like father, like son.” Herald of-Truth-what a misnomer!

Truth Magazine, XVIII:39, p. 8-10
August 8, 1974

By Larry Ray Hafley

A tract published by Calvary Baptist Church in Oak Forest, Illinois, and entitled “19 Reasons Why A Christian Cannot Be Lost!” has been given to me with the request that I review its teaching. The author of the “19 Reasons” is not specifically stated, but the name of “Dr. William F. Schroeder, Pastor” is on it, so we shall hold him responsible and accountable. If “Dr.” Schroeder hollers “Uncle,” we will consent to take him off the hook. We trust “Pastor” Schroeder will ultimately be led to disavow the ’79 Reasons, “anyway, but if he is not the author he has only to say so. I know I would not want to be accused of writing the tract! I can think of “19” good “reasons” why I would not want to be listed as the author of it.

“I. He Has Been Chosen”

“This was before the foundation of the world (Eph. 1:4). Why would God choose me before the foundation of the world if I were to be lost again? Is Christ not Omniscient and does He not know all? If I could be lost again, His choice was poor.”

Reply: God’s choice was not individual and particular. It was corporate and general. God did not choose you, you, and you and fail to pick me or Dr. Schroeder. The thing God purposed by His grace “before the foundation of the world” was that all who were in Chris( would be saved (Eph. 1). He did not specify each particular person (I Jn. 4,:14).

The Doctor’s questions are based on a false assumption. But let us proceed on his theory. If God chose some to be saved, it follows that He chose some to be damned. Now, does Mr. Schroeder preach the gospel to the lost? Does he save any to whom he preaches the gospel? Assuredly, he would say he does. Then, we might ask him concerning a chosen damned one who is afterward saved by hearing the gospel, “Why would God choose me before the foundation of the world to be doomed if I were to be saved?” Or to paraphrase the “Pastor, ” “If I could be saved again, His choice was poor.”

“2. God’s Foreknowledge”

“God’s Word says, ‘He knew,’ or ‘foreknew,’ that I would be saved (Rom. 8:29). If God foreknew I was going to be saved, why not that I would backslide and be lost? If He foreknew my salvation, why not my backsliding9 It is reasonable to ask, ‘If He knew I would backslide, why did He save me in the first place. Surely the Lord foreknew what I would do before He saved me. His foreknowledge of my failure afterwards did not stop Him from saving me.”

Reply: Again, if God “foreknew” each individual who is saved, He “foreknew” each one who is lost. Dr. Schroeder says he preaches to and saves the lost. Thus, “It is reasonable to ask, >If God knew I would be saved by hearing the gospel, why did he damn me in the first place?= Surely the Lord foreknew what I would do before He saved me.” This is “Dr.” Schroeder’s prescription on the other side of the matter. It is as foolish and fatal on one side as it is on the other.

“3. Predestinated@

“I was predestinated to be saved (Eph. 1:5).

(1) God foreknew I would be saved (Rom. 8:29).

(2) Because He foreknew, I was predestinated (Rom. 8:29, 30).

(3) Because I was predestinated, I was called (Rom. 8:30).

(4) Because I was called, I was justified (Rom. 8:30).

(5) Because I was justified, I was glorified (Rom. 8:30).

“This is according to the foreknowledge of God. If a Christian can be lost again, then God’s foreknowledge is no good, for His Word says that God’s foreknowledge saw the Christian even glorified.”

Reply: In the reverse and converse of Mr. Schroeder, a lost one may say, “I was predestinated to be lost (Eph. 1:5). (1) God foreknew I would be lost. (2) Because He foreknew, I was predestinated to be lost (Rom. 8:29, 30). (3) Because I was predestinated to be lost, I was not called (Rom. 8:30). (4) Because I was not called, I was not justified (Rom. 8:30). (5) Because I was not justified, I was not glorified” (Rom. 8:30). This is according to the foreknowledge of God. If a lost person can be saved, then God’s foreknowledge is no good, for His Word says that God’s foreknowledge saw the lost person even condemned.”

The conditions of Romans 8 show that verses 29 and 30 have no reference to a specific person’s predestination. Salvation is conditional–if we “walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit” (Rom. 8:4). “For if ye live after the flesh ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live” (Rom. 8:13). We are “joint heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with him, that we may be also glorified together” (Rom. 8:17).

The church, the corporate body, exists “according to the eternal purpose which he purposed in Christ Jesus our Lord” (Eph. 3:11). It is spoken of without respect to any particular individual’s obedience or disobedience. “All things” which are “according to his purpose” are the plans and purposes of God from all eternity which are centered and seated in Christ (Eph. 1: 10, 11). “The called” are the saved as a class. There is no reference to individual predestination, justification, and glorification. “All things” gathered together in Christ work together in Christ (Rom. 8:28, 29; Eph. 1:10, 11). The general subject is redemption and reconciliation. “All things” that God purposed and proposed have been consummated in Christ and enunciated in the gospel.

“4. Born Again”

“A Christian has been ‘Born Again,’ ‘born from above’ (John 3:5, 6). He has been ‘born of God’ (I John 5: 1). If a Christian is born, may he be unborn? It is impossible to be I unborn,’ therefore it is not possible to be lost if born from above.”

Reply: Physically, it is impossible to be unborn, but it is possible to be denied and disinherited; it is possible to lose all blessings of sonship. A Father cannot undo his paternity, but he can refuse privileges that accrue to the child if the child is wayward and rebellious. God called Israel His “children.” They were “his sons” and “his daughters” (Deut. 32:19, 20), But to the disobedient he said, “I will . . . disinherit them” (Num. 14:12). The same is true today. “If we deny him, he also will deny us” (2 Tim. 2:12).

Dr. Schroeder treats us to statements on being “born again.” Surely, a “Dr.” should know something about births, and he asks, “If a Christian is born, may he be unborn? It is impossible to be ‘unborn,’ therefore it is not possible to be lost if born from above.” Well, I Am not an obstetrician nor a pediatrician, but the Bible says sinners are “children of the Devil” 0 Jn. 3: 10). It says their Father is the Devil (Jn. 8:44). That means, in a figure, they are begotten or born of the Devil. Question: “If a child of the Devil is born, may he be unborn? It is impossible to be “unborn,’ therefore it is not possible to be saved if born from below.” Now, let the Dr. make a delivery for us. Children are born of the Devil. Does the good Dr. believe they can be “unborn” and be saved? We trust that the Dr. himself will not go into hard labor over this matter, but it is his own obstetric principle that we are prodding him with. All have sinned; all are thus “children of the Devil.” Since “It is impossible to be ‘unborn,’ therefore,” no one will be saved-that is universal damnation according to the Dr.’s rules of birth. Will our Dr. make a house call and examine this patient’s dilemma for us? Will he attempt to clarify or “explainify” this matter for us? Or, are we going to have to induce labor to get him to answer? Only a quack Dr. keeps silent when genuine skills are needed.

“5. Eternal Life, A Present Possession”

“Every Christian is given eternal life by Christ. ‘I give unto them eternal life’ (John 10:28). He now has this life (I John 5:13). This life is not for ten, twenty or thirty years, not as long as we hold out, but it is for eternity, forever (John 6:47; John 5:24; John 3:36; 1 John 5:12, 13). One cannot be lost when he has eternal life.”

Reply; Jesus gives eternal life, but this life, this gift, is conditional. Eternal life is given to those who hear and believe (Jn. 5:24; 6:47), but one may cease to hear and quit believing (Prov. 28:9; Heb. 3:12; Psa. 106:12, 24). What then?

“God hath given to us eternal life, and this life is in his Son” (I Jn. 5:11). Eternal life is where? It “is in his Son.” But one may choose not to abide in Christ-“if a man abide not in me” (Jn. 15:6). One who does not abide in Christ does not have eternal life, for “this life is in his Son.”

Eternal life is “not for … as long as we hold out,” the tract says. But the Bible says Christ is “a son over his own house; whose house are we, if we hold fast the confidence and rejoicing of the hope firm unto the end” (Heb. 3:6). “For we are made partakers of Christ, if we hold the beginning of our confidence stedfast unto the end” (Heb. 3:14). Those reconciled by the blood are to be presented “holy and unblameable and unreproveable in his sight if ye continue in the faith grounded and settled, and be not moved away from the hope of the gospel” (Col. 1:21-23). Eternal life is eternal, but it is not given unconditionally eternally.

Christians have eternal life in promise (I Jn. 2:25). We now live “In hope of eternal life” (Titus 1:2). Eternal life is “that which is to come” 0 Tim. 4:8). “In the world to come life everlasting” will be given to the faithful (Lk. 18:30; Rom. 2:6, 7).

“6. A New Nature”

“Every Christian possesses a new nature (2 Pet. 1:4), God’s nature. If a Christian could be lost with such a nature, this would bring God down to a human level, and God’s nature would be lost.”

Reply: 2 Peter 1:4 does not say that Christians are “possessors of the divine nature.” It says “partakers of the divine nature.” We do not possess, rather we share or have fellowship, of the divine nature. Our possessions in 2 Peter 1:4 are “exceeding great and precious promises” which have been “given unto us” and “by these”, we become “partakers of the divine nature.” A reverse paraphrase of “Pastor” Schroeder’s statement may. shed some light. “Every unbeliever possessed an old nature, the Devil’s. If an unbeliever can be saved with such a nature, this would bring the Devil up to a divine level and the Devil’s nature would be saved.” Does this prove that an unbeliever cannot become a believer and be saved? No, it does not, and when it is explained, it clarifies Mr. Schroeder’s statement.

But 2 Peter also says “Give diligence to make your calling and election sure: for if ye do these things, ye shall never fall” (1:10). Some “bought” by the Lord will deny Him “and bring upon themselves swift destruction” (2:1). “For if after they have escaped the pollutions of the world through the knowledge of the Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, they are again entangled therein and overcome, the latter end is worse with them than the beginning” (2:20). “Beware lest ye also, being led away with the error of the wicked, fall from your own stedfastness” (3:17). Why these statements if 1:4 shows one cannot be lost?

(To be continued)

Truth Magazine, XVIII:39, p. 6-8
August 8, 1974